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Post by tattoo on Oct 18, 2018 12:49:24 GMT
A 2000W inverter would be appropriate if you plan on running many appliances at the same time that would be close to this wattage. Otherwise, you can always go smaller wattage and just be conscious about your appliances usage. The LFP batteries could be used for the pure sine wave inverter, but we would not recommend the batteries be paired with the inverter charger, as you will not be able to use the charging feature to charge your LFP batteries back up through the inverter charger itself. There is currently no setting on it and you cannot customize it for LFP battery charging. The 14.6V while consistent with the Renogy LFP battery charging profile, is meant to be in a constant voltage state, by which the inverter charger's float stage would potentially damage the LFP battery. -Renogy Team Thank you. So, I see that Battleborn sells a LiFePO4 specific charger. Can I just add this to the system for when I'm on shore power? battlebornbatteries.com/shop/progressive-dynamics-60-amp-lifepo4-battery-charger/I guess I'm missing something but what the Admin and you are suggesting is using a charger to power a changer to charge a battery? Now if that's the case that is a HUGE waste of power.....
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Post by jaydebe on Oct 18, 2018 13:55:52 GMT
I personally don't think you can run all that your hoping to run off of the solar system you have described... I doubt if I could run all of that off of my system.... And it's way larger than what your considering....
Running things like a kettle is a waste of Solar power... That's what propane is for...
Plus most 12v appliances are junk and are a waste of money...
If your planning on using 80% of your batteries everyday they won't last very long.... You will never get them fully charged everyday like you should do everyday.... 50% is the max that you want to draw down a battery.... You will need 4 batteries to do what your wanting to do and then you will need more panels......
You need to stop thinking about the things that you use at home on the AC grid.... Solar won't do the same unless it's a HUGE system....
That's my nickle, But what the H do I know?
That's cool; I really love and appreciate the input. But, please note that the above example was everything used to the MAX; including double the time it takes to boil water and use a blender. The above WH include forgetting to toggle the inverter, fan on MAX output, etc. I highly doubt we'll use a 90 cfm fan on high for 24hrs. Our goal: Travel around visiting US Parks, hike and mt bike. We will rarely be idle for more than a day, so in addition to solor, we'll have the system running off of the car too. Our plan includes looking at this as a camping trip that happens to have come portable power. So, we will be using a camp stove & grill as first, relying on battery power 2nd. We plan on shore power 1-2 per week via staying at campgrounds. For us, one of the most beautiful parts of our plan is that if the weather is looking sucky for more than a day or so, we just drive to somewhere nicer. I am new to solar, but as a contractor I use Dewalt Li tools daily for work. The Dewalt Power Station which is much smaller battery wise (runs on 4 20-60v 5-9ah batteries) that can run full table saws & miterboxes for 100's of cuts (usually 1/2 day) which is a lot of On/Off surges. Now, I get that the Dewalt stuff is 20-60v batteries, so that voltage comes into play, but IMO it can't make that much of a difference. Again, I get that some of my constants add up, but our current planned system is based on double what I think our avg. use should be and basically 1 to 1 for our max use for a day. That all said, I think that I have my wife ready to buy up 1 more battery and reaching for 500w of panels, 600 if we can squeeze it. We are space limited and since i don't have my fan in the roof yet, I can only guess a real layout for the panels. Again, I really appreciate the feedback and I hope all of this helps others figure out their system also.
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Post by bupkis on Oct 18, 2018 14:01:06 GMT
A 2000W inverter would be appropriate if you plan on running many appliances at the same time that would be close to this wattage. Otherwise, you can always go smaller wattage and just be conscious about your appliances usage. The LFP batteries could be used for the pure sine wave inverter, but we would not recommend the batteries be paired with the inverter charger, as you will not be able to use the charging feature to charge your LFP batteries back up through the inverter charger itself. There is currently no setting on it and you cannot customize it for LFP battery charging. The 14.6V while consistent with the Renogy LFP battery charging profile, is meant to be in a constant voltage state, by which the inverter charger's float stage would potentially damage the LFP battery. -Renogy Team Thank you. So, I see that Battleborn sells a LiFePO4 specific charger. Can I just add this to the system for when I'm on shore power? battlebornbatteries.com/shop/progressive-dynamics-60-amp-lifepo4-battery-charger/If renogy has no 120v LiPo charger then you'll have to get it elsewhere. 40A charger would be good, 60A is not too much! Of course you turn it off and not operate it via inverter!!! 60A would be OK for 3 batteries. I think you'll have some problems with the big loads on inverter when not full charged but you're willing to supplement with the alternator and/or go without till you find utility power which you might need ever other day! Some sort of BATTERY MONITOR, one that counts energy in/out of the battery would help you know the batts health at any time. I don't think I'd plan on using 80% battery capacity daily. I generally deal in amp hrs but wH is OK, for instance the fridge @1.3A/hr will consume ~35ah/day, that is ~20% of total capacity and even greater % of salable power. Happy trails.
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Post by jaydebe on Oct 18, 2018 14:03:37 GMT
I guess I'm missing something but what the Admin and you are suggesting is using a charger to power a changer to charge a battery? Now if that's the case that is a HUGE waste of power..... Hah, I think there is a misunderstanding here... My initial question about the I/C is that none of the I/C that I've seen have LiFePO4 settings listed on them; so, is it ok to use them anyway with teh closest AGM setting. - The Admin is saying that a standard I/C does not charge a LiFePO4 battery appropriately when connected to shore power. - Based on the Admin's response, I've located a dedicated LiFePO4 charger that I'd use ONLY when I connect to Shore Power and I'll ditch the idea of a I/C for a Inverter only. Otherwise, the ChargeController will take care of everything while off shore power.
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Post by tattoo on Oct 18, 2018 16:32:54 GMT
Hah, I think there is a misunderstanding here... My initial question about the I/C is that none of the I/C that I've seen have LiFePO4 settings listed on them; so, is it ok to use them anyway with teh closest AGM setting. LOL I sure hope so..... What I thought your were going to have to do didn't make solar sense...... LOL
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Post by playersz28 on Oct 18, 2018 21:32:16 GMT
I have 448AH of AGM and last winter ran 320W of solar (640w for this winter). With the 2000w PSW inverter it had no problem running whatever I wanted turned on. The only large kitchen loads we ran was microwave & blender. After using lighting/TV overnight and appliances in the morning I was back to full by 11am in South AZ with the panels tilted in Jan/Feb. We have an induction cookplate but only used it on hookups as we have a propane stove, maybe this winter I'll try it on battery with the extra panels.
Sounds like you're doing pretty much the same as us except we have a 40' 5th wheel we haul down from Ontario for 4-5 months in the SW. Any issue you would have will crop up after 2 days of overcast, then you'd need to move to an electric site. I think you'll be fine with 400w solar and 2 Li's. Having 3 would be better but only for longer low solar support. The Dometic 75 cooler/freezer can run on 12v which would let you turn off the inverter when you aren't using the 110v appliances
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Post by playersz28 on Oct 18, 2018 21:34:02 GMT
I guess I'm missing something but what the Admin and you are suggesting is using a charger to power a changer to charge a battery? Now if that's the case that is a HUGE waste of power..... You misread: "Can I just add this to the system for when I'm on shore power?" Charge the Li's off the Battleborn unit when on an AC shore cord. Nothing to do with the solar side of things.
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Post by Admin on Oct 18, 2018 22:42:55 GMT
I guess I'm missing something but what the Admin and you are suggesting is using a charger to power a changer to charge a battery? Now if that's the case that is a HUGE waste of power..... Hah, I think there is a misunderstanding here... My initial question about the I/C is that none of the I/C that I've seen have LiFePO4 settings listed on them; so, is it ok to use them anyway with teh closest AGM setting. - The Admin is saying that a standard I/C does not charge a LiFePO4 battery appropriately when connected to shore power. - Based on the Admin's response, I've located a dedicated LiFePO4 charger that I'd use ONLY when I connect to Shore Power and I'll ditch the idea of a I/C for a Inverter only. Otherwise, the ChargeController will take care of everything while off shore power. Yes that is correct. You can not use the inverter charger to charge your LFP batteries, however, you can definitely use the progressive dynamics charger separately when you're connected to shore power. This could be an alternative/advantage when you're on shore power on not relying solely on solar. -Renogy Team
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Post by tattoo on Oct 18, 2018 23:45:52 GMT
OOOhhhhh shore power I just looked it up, It's not a wave powered generator like at the ocean generating power from the waves.... Now I get it..... It's a damn AC outlet..... Why the fancy ass name?
And Yes I can laugh at myself why not.... LOL
Carry on....
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Post by tattoo on Oct 18, 2018 23:50:37 GMT
You misread: "Can I just add this to the system for when I'm on shore power?" Charge the Li's off the Battleborn unit when on an AC shore cord. Nothing to do with the solar side of things. LOL I didn't miss read it I didn't understand it.... But I do now.... LOL
Read my above post and you can understand my post better... LOL
Now I understand...
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