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Post by swampmonster on Nov 10, 2018 2:50:23 GMT
Folks, if there is ONE single thing Renogy does exactly right for RV types, it is their Eclipse panels...I cannot say enuff good things about these panels. They are absolutely flawless and built to world class standards in quality and finish. This low quality pic shows my first six panels installed on the rear portion of my roof....please note the tiny size of these panels and how I can STILL easily access my roof and easily walk between them and how because of their tiny size there is NO shading. When you examine them up close in person, you will see they are FLAWLESS in their quality on the wafers...Totally flawless....And when you lay them out in the sun and test them, you will see that they each offer very exact and matching electrical values just like they are labeled....These are not over hyped junk!...They really are as described. For me, they are totally worth the price of 230 bucks each....I now have 10 of them on my roof for a total of 2,300 bucks BECAUSE they are so very small AND so very high quality. No!, I am NOT a fan of every thing Renogy offers because I have very particular needs....BUT, when it comes to solar RV panels today, these offered by Renogy are the absolute best quality and they allow you to place more of them on your limited roof acreage in many different arrangements...Just like you see here. I STRONGLY recommend that you attach ALL panels no matter who makes them with rubber well nuts to your RV roof....NOT the supplied self tapping screws all panel makers, including Renogy, supplies with their Z or other mount brackets. And NEVER rely on any tape alone to adhere them to your roof...Do it RIGHT the first time, or find the time and money to do it over again alongside the road somewhere. Forgive the low quality pic, please...Just instead look at how little space they demand. 
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Post by bupkis on Nov 10, 2018 14:53:59 GMT
The Vmp is too low for MY use. Can be corrected with series pairs/MPPT. This also helps with voltage drop.
Can not imagine how hot panels without their backs open to breeze get, ones open to a breeze get HOT.
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Post by swampmonster on Nov 10, 2018 20:22:40 GMT
Can not imagine how hot panels without their backs open to breeze get, ones open to a breeze get HOT. Yup, I agree....And those guys with taped down flex panels all eventually learn exactly that. I LOVE the concept of flex panels, I do....BUT right now the tech and materials used simply cannot survive long when they are glued/taped down to any surface. They seem to work reliably and well as portable panels when propped up off the ground, tho. Funny tho how even then, the Renogy Eclipse suitcase still out performs them considerably.
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Post by bupkis on Nov 10, 2018 20:34:09 GMT
I don't agree with your opinions.
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Post by playersz28 on Nov 10, 2018 20:46:59 GMT
I bought 165w panels here in Canada for less than I could by Renogy 100w Eclipses (265$CDN/203$US vs 285$CDN/218$US). I considered using Well nuts but I made my own tilting brackets and spaced them to hit the 4' rafter centers on my 5th wheel. I have 4 panels up now (640w) and if I wanted to cover most of the roof I could easily get 12 up there. The 300w panels are even cheaper on a per watt basis but their sizing didn't work out as well.
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Post by tattoo on Nov 10, 2018 20:51:54 GMT
Yes sir,
Panels don't like being hot at all.... This last summer proved it to me and I have air going under mine...
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Post by swampmonster on Nov 10, 2018 21:38:00 GMT
I bought 165w panels here in Canada for less than I could by Renogy 100w Eclipses (265$CDN/203$US vs 285$CDN/218$US). I considered using Well nuts but I made my own tilting brackets and spaced them to hit the 4' rafter centers on my 5th wheel. I have 4 panels up now (640w) and if I wanted to cover most of the roof I could easily get 12 up there. The 300w panels are even cheaper on a per watt basis but their sizing didn't work out as well. I totally agree that quality panels can be had at half the price per watt, where the larger the panel, the cheaper per watt. But for my particular total system design and equipment specs I was restricted to 12V panels....So that made me decide to go with many high quality panels as small and efficient as possible......Panels were just one piece of a system design where while sorting it all out many possible selections of each piece of the total puzzle were discarded. Not a single item in my system is a stand alone best in the world class quality item...Not a single one....And not a single method in my madness is either....But, for me, and as a piece of the puzzle on my table, the Eclipse panels fit exactly. Alto my puzzle is completed, I'm still looking at several pieces(like the inverter) so see if there might be a more suitable fit. Sounds like you have a quality system.
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Post by swampmonster on Nov 10, 2018 21:52:21 GMT
I don't agree with your opinions. Friend, I agree that SunPower, LG and a few others make panels MUCH more efficient than the Eclipse....BUT none them fit my 100 watt 12V requirements, and none of them even came close to my size requirements. If you are referring to flex panels, I cannot imagine why people today even consider them until the makers up their game to where they are as efficient, reliable, and durable as glass panels....It can be done....Eventually. Those are not opinions, they are facts.
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Post by swampmonster on Nov 10, 2018 22:06:03 GMT
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Post by bupkis on Nov 11, 2018 1:07:30 GMT
Friend, I do not care to understand why folks go with '12v' panels for larger systems. I know they already have them and space limitations. There is no need for mppt $ with parallel '12v' panels, mppt is for series '12v' panels or 60-72 cell panels. let me point you once again to Ralph of bogart enginnering the makers of the trimetric You can read Ralph's thinking about pwm/mppt and why his controller is pwm @ the FAQ you must select 'C' and then question C1 www.bogartengineering.com/support/faq.htmllet's remember that mppt is only mppt during bulk and pwm during abs and float, and a look at an IV/power curve with temp effs that pwm can and will exceed mppt at times, Ralph is the only honest explanation i've seen. let's us agree that there are choices and various ways to configure solar battery charging, ones choice of one component can affect choices. If the eclispe made 200w then it would be worth twice a 100w panel. but it does not! Fact is in normal operating temperaters it makes less power than other renogys 100w panels!
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Post by swampmonster on Nov 11, 2018 7:52:54 GMT
There is no need for mppt $ with parallel '12v' panels, mppt is for series '12v' panels or 60-72 cell panels. let me point you once again to Ralph of bogart enginnering the makers of the trimetric You can read Ralph's thinking about pwm/mppt and why his controller is pwm @ the FAQ you must select 'C' and then question C1 www.bogartengineering.com/support/faq.htmlGood old Ralph talks down on MPPT because he only sells his old school PWM....Rather than invest the bucks and race to keep up with the competition, he instead tries to sell his old stuff by demonizing the new better controllers....I'm certain his old PWM controller was great stuff in its day, but hey, it's a NEW day, yaknow? Your knowledge of MPPT is very lacking if you truly believe it is ONLY for series 12v and high volt arrays. Yes, there are MANY MPPT's designed to allow series and high volt applications and that is their huge selling point. BUT there are also some very high quality low voltage MPPT's especially designed for small 12V in parallel...Yup, and I have three of them and I am very pleased with them. ONCE AGAIN, the driving force I based my whole complex system on was REDUNDANCY and the ability to cross connect and split it into still functioning smaller systems instantly and seamlessly if I experienced a failure. There were certain places where the systems had to marry, like the inverters, and battery banks....In that reqard, I selected the very best AGM batteries made(Life Line), and I'm just auditioning the Aims unit...Seeing as how they are small 100 watt panels, I can lose several to failure of hail damage or whatever and still have the remaining panels to survive with....That was also the deciding factor on my choice of the MC4 combiner box...The MC4 connectors make it almost instant for me to eliminate failed panels and swap the remaining ones to another controller if required....Guy, I ain't trying to sell my system design here, or the components I used.....And I'm getting tired of attempting to explain it to two particular guys who have elected themselves as gatekeepers to a public forum where we seek to share our ideas and ask questions. I'm the guy that stuffed a Chevy engine into a Jeep, yaknow, so I certainly ain't brand loyal to Chevy or Jeep. Same for my solar system. I ain't brand loyal to Renogy for everything they offer. I select my components from all offered by everyone...But only if they fit my needs. That's my Jeep packing a Chevy 5.3 LSX engine....The ONLY thing I like about Chevy is their LSX 5.3 and 6.0 engines, And the only thing I like about Jeep CJ"s and TJ"s is you can extensively modify them into a mobetter vehicle using stuff made by countles others....So as you can see I'ma a gear queer, but not a brand queer....But NOT, BTW, homosexual.  
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Post by playersz28 on Nov 11, 2018 13:01:54 GMT
Friend, I do not care to understand why folks go with '12v' panels for larger systems. I know they already have them and space limitations. There is no need for mppt $ with parallel '12v' panels, mppt is for series '12v' panels or 60-72 cell panels. let me point you once again to Ralph of bogart enginnering the makers of the trimetric You can read Ralph's thinking about pwm/mppt and why his controller is pwm @ the FAQ you must select 'C' and then question C1 www.bogartengineering.com/support/faq.htmllet's remember that mppt is only mppt during bulk and pwm during abs and float, and a look at an IV/power curve with temp effs that pwm can and will exceed mppt at times, Ralph is the only honest explanation i've seen. let's us agree that there are choices and various ways to configure solar battery charging, ones choice of one component can affect choices. If the eclispe made 200w then it would be worth twice a 100w panel. but it does not! Fact is in normal operating temperaters it makes less power than other renogys 100w panels! Much of the design of a solar pwr gen system is dependent on the environment in which it will be used. One persons design might be totally wrong for another persons application For my system it's installed on the roof of a fifth wheel trailer. In this situation the large ~300w panels wouldn't easily fit. The 100w panels were too small and wasted space. The 160w panels provided the best roof coverage and W/$. This meant using MPPT. A similar sized PWM controller isn't that much cheaper than the MPPT one and when you factor in the lower cost of the larger panels then the cost for panels+CC in a medium system is similar for MPPT & PWM. More panels also mean more wiring connections and more installation hardware and in my case more holes in the roof and more work to tilt them.
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Post by tattoo on Nov 11, 2018 14:36:10 GMT
I don't agree with your opinions. Friend, I agree that SunPower, LG and a few others make panels MUCH more efficient than the Eclipse....BUT none them fit my 100 watt 12V requirements, and none of them even came close to my size requirements. You keep saying what fits your requirements is the best for all... They are not... If you like something use it but don't try and keep selling it here....
Do you have your first solar system up and running yet?  I want to see how great it really is...
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Post by bupkis on Nov 11, 2018 14:58:02 GMT
playerz figured it out!
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Post by tattoo on Nov 11, 2018 15:10:06 GMT
Yes he has..... I wish there had been more info out there when I bought my first system, if there had been I would have bought a larger system..... Like he has..... But I have way to much money in mine now to change it.....
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