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Post by JeannieW on Sept 26, 2018 23:56:27 GMT
Let me just start by stating General Science/Electricity is the only class I ever flunked... so ohms/watts/amps/voltage make no sense to me at all. Once I have all the right pieces, I will be able to connect it ok, but I can't for the life of me understand how to decide what I need. I'm in Northern Wisconsin. My purpose is to have emergency electricity in the case of an EMP or other disaster of an unknown length of time... A few lights, battery chargers for flashlights etc, computer, monitor etc, maybe the refrigerator or power tools for a short time.
This is what I already have: Four - 12V 80Ah AGM Deep Cycle Battery for RENOGY PV SOLAR PANELS
This is the "plan" and my questions: Due to large trees near the house, the panels will have to be about 30-40' from the house to reach the sun. My understanding is that the controllers must be in a dry spot, so they should be in the house... so I need long 40' cables to connect 4 panels to the 2 controllers in the house. What length and wire gauge do I need, how many cables, and how much wattage(?) will I lose?
The kits come with 8' of 10AWG copper tray cables... Is that the same as an inverter cable?
I want to be able to hook the batteries up to the household current to recharge if the house has electricity, so I believe I need a converter/inverter. What do I need to buy to make sure it's strong enough to handle the load? Can I get by with one regular converter/inverter and one pure sine wave converter/inverter?
What extras should I consider?
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Post by tattoo on Sept 27, 2018 2:17:40 GMT
If it were me I would go with 4 panels a 40a cc and the 4 batteries your talking about with a 500w Pure shine inverter....
Also you will need fuses and shut offs...
I just thought of something... In the summer how many hours of direct sun do you get on your house? I know you get more hours in the winter because the leaves are gone from the trees...
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Post by JeannieW on Sept 27, 2018 5:21:56 GMT
I appreciate the answer. Very few hours in summer because the house is surrounded by massive maples and pines. Besides that, this is my mother's house (she's 93 and very picky), and she would never allow something attached to her house. And if I gave her the reasons, possible EMP or other disasters, I'd hear a very disgusted "THAT'S NONSENSE!!!" So I have to go with the yard, where it can be put up on the fly when/if something happens. Are you telling me its better to use one 40A rather than the two 30A CC that I already have? What about the converter to charge the batteries if the house gets electricity for a while?
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Post by Admin on Sept 27, 2018 12:51:30 GMT
Let me just start by stating General Science/Electricity is the only class I ever flunked... so ohms/watts/amps/voltage make no sense to me at all. Once I have all the right pieces, I will be able to connect it ok, but I can't for the life of me understand how to decide what I need. I'm in Northern Wisconsin. My purpose is to have emergency electricity in the case of an EMP or other disaster of an unknown length of time... A few lights, battery chargers for flashlights etc, computer, monitor etc, maybe the refrigerator or power tools for a short time.
This is what I already have: Four - 12V 80Ah AGM Deep Cycle Battery for RENOGY PV SOLAR PANELS This is the "plan" and my questions: Due to large trees near the house, the panels will have to be about 30-40' from the house to reach the sun. My understanding is that the controllers must be in a dry spot, so they should be in the house... so I need long 40' cables to connect 4 panels to the 2 controllers in the house. What length and wire gauge do I need, how many cables, and how much wattage(?) will I lose? The kits come with 8' of 10AWG copper tray cables... Is that the same as an inverter cable? I want to be able to hook the batteries up to the household current to recharge if the house has electricity, so I believe I need a converter/inverter. What do I need to buy to make sure it's strong enough to handle the load? Can I get by with one regular converter/inverter and one pure sine wave converter/inverter? What extras should I consider?
For simplicity purposes it is probably better to go with 1 x 40A charge controller as opposed to 2 x 30A controller. However, the 30A controllers allow up to 400W of PV input, so you actually just need 1 x 30A controller and not both that you purchased. The tray cables that came equipped with your kit is for connecting your controller to your battery bank. We would recommend, if you haven't done so already, to purchase a 40ft adaptor kit, which is the cable that connects from the solar panel to the charge controller. this is where you have some play room for distances between solar panels and charge controllers. Unfortunately, since our adaptor kits are only sold in 10AWG and 12AWG for the time being, you can expect a voltage loss of about 7%. We try and keep voltage loss to no more than 2-3% normally, so that's something to consider. For connecting your batteries together (as they are all 12V), you will need a battery interconnect cable to use your AC appliances, you need an inverter. We offer several models in the 500W,1000W, and 2000W. Given the electronics you want to power and assuming you wouldn't be running all electronics at the same time, a 500W inverter might be suitable. Keep in mind things change for bigger appliances such as fridges and microwaves and those will more than likely not work on a 500W inverter, unless it's DC. In total, your setup would more or less look like this: Method: -4 x 100W panels connected in parallel using 3 x branch connectors. Your kits should have provided you with a set each so perhaps get one more. -40' adaptor kit set 10-12AWG, -30A charge controller -Tray cable to connect to battery positive and negative posts -6 x battery interconnects to connect your batteries in parallel to each other. 4AWG for 500W inverter, 2AWG for 1000W inverter -500W or 1000W inverter (they come equipped with cables). Here's a rough diagram of a basic system: In your setup you will have more batteries: Hope this helps! -Renogy Team
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Post by tattoo on Sept 27, 2018 13:32:37 GMT
I appreciate the answer. Very few hours in summer because the house is surrounded by massive maples and pines. Besides that, this is my mother's house (she's 93 and very picky), and she would never allow something attached to her house. And if I gave her the reasons, possible EMP or other disasters, I'd hear a very disgusted "THAT'S NONSENSE!!!" So I have to go with the yard, where it can be put up on the fly when/if something happens. Are you telling me its better to use one 40A rather than the two 30A CC that I already have? What about the converter to charge the batteries if the house gets electricity for a while? I understand about not being able to put it on the house, So put it in the yard.... It will still work just not as good..... Your original post didn't say that you already had any solar stuff if you did I missed it.... That's why I suggested what I did...
Yep I missed the big bold words.. LOL
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Post by bupkis on Sept 27, 2018 16:20:40 GMT
This is what I already have: Four - 12V 80Ah AGM Deep Cycle Battery for RENOGY PV SOLAR PANELS
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Post by tattoo on Sept 27, 2018 17:02:54 GMT
This is what I already have: Four - 12V 80Ah AGM Deep Cycle Battery for RENOGY PV SOLAR PANELS
LOL Yep I missed it... The { This is what I have }.... I will take that out of my question.... Thanks for pointing that out... Since it was a link to ebay I thought that's what she was wanting to buy....
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